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Problems with Mice

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:30 pm
by brugge
Hi, l have a rather large problem with mice in my aviary, l live in the country with loads of fields surrounding us, we have numerous out buildings one of which houses my aviary which contains cockatiels and fichers lovebirds ( in seperate flights ) the problems with mice are now getting worse as winter is setting in, all the field mice seem to be coming into the buildings, l have tried poison ( in an area outside the flights ) but they are eating it for fun. Last night l went as normal to remove the feed dishes about 16.00 and there must of been 30 plus mice in and around the dishes, the mesh in 10mm but they seem to get in from every where. I am a bit concerned about the lovebirds as they seem to whant to start to breed and was wondering if the mice would eat/take the eggs, also if there would be a problem after the mice have eaten the poison and then climbing all over the food dishes. Many thanks in advance for any help.

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:09 am
by Bouvier
Hi and welcome,
Your 10mm wire should keep the mice out, therefore you must have 'holes' where the mice are getting in so the first thing to do is check for these 'holes'. They cannot get into 10mm but anything larger i.e. 20mm they will squeeze their way through. If they are eating the poison then it should work. It does take a couple of days etc to get into the system but it should get rid of them. The problem is when you have too many for the amount of poison laid - I suggest you double/triple up the amount used and hopefully this will eradicate the problem. You should start to see the odd one lying on the floor etc. Mice can and will devastate a nest either by eating the eggs or just by being a 'pest' and disturbing the nesting birds. The transference of the poison to your birds should not harm them as there should be such a small amount on the feet of the mice etc that it should not harm the birds. However the droppings/urine of the mice are your biggest problem. I have a problem with rats, I have mentioned this in another question, and I wash the dishes at every meal (I feed twice a day) and so far I have (hopefully) had no problems with any poisons.


Bouvier

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:33 pm
by teiltown
Hi Brugge,

The only way, as Bouvier suggested, is to wage war against them.
the only way to ensure a mouse is dead, is to be able to see the body.
I would suggest you also start using traps, you know they are dead and you know whee there going to be - as with poison, you never know where thet are going to die, and in the end, if you have lots of them around, you may get addition problems with flys.

Given that you keep small birds, you could ty using a hanging feeder of the hopper style design, which you can hang from the aviary roof, this won't stop the mice feeding from spilt food on the floor etc, but will make it harder to get to, thus not risking the droppings, urine etc in the seed. I use these with my Cockatiels and lovebirds - mine live together though, in harmony.

To iterate again, spend a good time looking at where they may be getting in - if you have video recording equipment, set up a camera and watch them. The last option, get a cat or 10

Kev.

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:28 am
by Bouvier
Hi again,
I do agree with Kev about the traps but with that amount of mice you will need a large amount of traps as they only catch one at a time. By the time you get through your 30+ they will have bred again etc. The only other way is to have a live trap which I believe catches up to 10. I think it is a one way system that allows them in but not out. The big problem then is the disposal of the live mice. You cannot just take them out and release them as they will find their way back to you (no matter how far you travel) also there will always be some left behind.
Sorry to contradict Kev but you would be wasting your money on hanging feeders, mice are fantastic acrobacs and it wouldn't take them long to realize that the feeder is up the wire/along the top /and down (they are better at it then the proverbial Squirrel!!!!)
Poison I believe is going to be your only proper way - as I realize it is with me. Just keep looking for the little bodies and remove them when you find them. Don't forget to look in the most unlikeliest of places either.

Bouvier

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:13 pm
by teiltown
Hi Bouvier, Brugge.

No problem with being out ranked.

I've never had issues with mice. We did have them, 3 yrs ago when we moved in, but ever since we have had Chickens, I've never seen one on my land or the evidence of any - the books say they won't tolerate them!!! it seems to be working for me.
And the ones we did catch (a whole family of tiny mice), I released at my works - 22 miles from home, so they weren't ever going to get back home.

It seems theres a lot of issues with Vermin out there at the moment, perhaps we should start collating all the methods that do work, and publish an article. Prevention is better than cure, but of no use to anyone when you have got a problem.

Anyway good luck to you both in solving your issues.
You could try your hand at designing a catching system of your own, say a food bowl on a swiveling plate that spins over when not in balance, whilst a big bucket half filled with water waits under it - sorry, its the problem solving engineer in me coming out...... still all things that would make a publication interesting to read.

Kev.

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:50 pm
by Bouvier
Good idea Kev, but I am sorry you are not allowed to drown them nowadays as it 'takes to long' - you end up with two problems then mice and court!!!!!

I believe the only way to stop both rats and mice is to look at the design of your aviary before putting the birds in. ie. concrete floors, small mesh (heavy duty wire), brick built building etc. Of course doing it the right way costs a lot of money - before paying out for the birds.
Unfortunately I chose the wrong option and as you know have problems.


Bouvier

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 2:55 pm
by teiltown
I'll keep working on ideas then, you could simply replace the water with a funnel (or tundish) with a small sprung loaded one way door at the bottom - but then you have to get rid of them.....

Still, all good stuff for the booklet. I'm just very glad I don't have mice problems myself.
Kev.

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:30 pm
by brugge
Hi all, thanks for all the replys, l have now started feeding the mice with there own personal feed dishes so they stay out of the birds, up to now l have been going through a kilo box of poison every three days, at 16.50€ it is cheaper to buy parakeet mix at 5.50€ per 5kilo's, seriously l have only found 3 dead in the last 2 weeks, l presume there are others that l havnt found. I have 16 chickens all running around the aviarys ( outside ) but to no avail, all the feeds are kept in plastic drums with lids and again the chickens are only fed in the morning as not to encourage the mice in the evenings. Also they are fed away from the aviarys. All l can think of is because the weather is so mild that there is so many of them still about. l have tried catching them in traps, the traps go off,but still no dead mice. P.S l am currently working on a mechanical cat to catch them, at least l wont have to feed that.
regards Brugge

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:30 pm
by Mike the ferret man
Hi guys,
I happened on your posts by accident, as I'm considering setting up a small aviary with a few budgies in it in my garden. Anyway, I was intrigued to see you had not considered a solution many pigeon financiers use to deter rats and mice and the one I shall be employing myself. I have provided many pigeon fanciers with ferrets, which they keep in a hutch/run outside of their lofts or indeed in a cage inside the lofts, space allowing. All small rodents such as mice and rats are terrified of ferrets and will avoid an area where they are kept by tens of meters, even if food is readily available, because the risk of being killed is much too great, as mustelids such as ferrets (polecats), stoats and weasels are their natural predators, I don't even see mice in my garden anymore and they were once regular visitors to my bird table. Here's the bonus, cats and foxes hate them and avoid them like the plague too, they actively avoid my garden taking long detours through neighbours gardens just to avoid the ferrets. Now don't get me wrong, the ferrets would happily eat your birds too given the opportunity, but the birds don't seem to stress about having a ferret in close proximity, it certainly doesn't seem to worry the pigeons. Also on the plus side, ferrets make great little companions if handled regularly, and are cheap to keep, will happily live outside in a rabbit type hutch all yrar long. Anyway, just a suggestion that seems to work in the pigeon fanciers world. I hope you get your problems sorted out.

Re: Problems with Mice

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:33 am
by MattGr
Hey, brugge

I know what it feels like to be infested by such a huge number of mice, I've dealt with something similar before. The pesticide you use is not effective because it's either not with the quality, required for extermination or the mice have developed resistance to it as they change offspring way too fast - this makes them adaptive really quickly.

To deal with this number of rodents at your property, you need a variety of mice extermination techniques implemented 24/7 where you spot the rodents. Snap traps are classic and humane way, which always works as no mice is immune to being snapped by the mechanism, just change the bait regularly because they become suspicious to the bait pretty fast if it's all the same.

You also need to get a pest-destroying animal such as a cat or a terrier dog. The terrier is in my opinion more effective as it will kill rats for fun if it's trained to do so, some farmers use several dogs to deal with rat infestation across their whole field - it's a quick and efficient solution that doesn't cause any contamination.

You also have to rat proof your property. To do so, you have to first check the places where mice come from. I suggest this informative guide on the topic - https://www.pantherpestcontrol.co.uk/mi ... come-from/

If you have any questions you can send me a private message, I will try to answer you ASAP.

Good luck!

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